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Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.05 16:52:00 - [1] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o It wasn't an April fool blog, they discussed it at the CCP panel at Fanfest 2009 +/- 1 year. They wanted to replace the Alliacne Tournament with that automated tournament system. I wonder why they could not make that anyways, next to the AT, for the reasons given above. There was discussion of automated activity for the purpose of alliance tournaments. This has literally nothing to do with implementing safe, instanced player run tournaments. Such a suggestion has been made before several times and it is almost guaranteed NEVER to happen. Instanced activity is never considered to be a good thing by CCP. This is reflected in recent changes to unscannable ships since they effectively gave too much competitive advantage, or at the least, safety to those flying them. ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.05 17:10:00 - [2] Originally by: Jasdemi Why not? As long as people lose ships, it's ok. It inherently counters the ethos of eve. Lets look at two simple possibilities of a secure instanced space: Can be used to hide from hostiles Can be used to remain in hostile space and gather intel Once you start to consider how it can be abused, and then implement rules to counter them... ultimately you end up with "instanced safe arena spaces should not be implemented". There is literally nothing that can be done to stop them being abused in some way. Regardless of the opportunity to exploit, they go directly against the spirit of a player run game where you already can have tournaments arranged by players. ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.05 18:23:00 - [3] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o It doesn't have to be instanced. They could make a 3D arena in a kind of bubble, that does not allow shooting through or any other effects like gang boost for the time of the battle. Undisturbed fights like in the AT, just without GMs or DEVs overseeing it, How is this NOT instanced environment PVP? ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.05 18:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Lady Spank How is this NOT instanced environment PVP? Because an Instance is a Copy that is made so multiple people can run the same content in the same area. Like an Accel Gate that brought you to a section of Space where there is a Complex but while you are running it so are 10 other people you can not see fighting other rats you can't see in the same space. Locking a person out of an area is not Instancing it. Semantics aside, however you view the terminology. CCP will simply NEVER implement a system where you can be inaccessible outside of docking in a station. ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.05 18:35:00 - [5] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 05/07/2011 18:32:10 Originally by: Lady Spank Semantics aside, however you view the terminology. CCP will simply NEVER implement a system where you can be inaccessible outside of docking in a station. Cloaking in a Safespot. and how is that relevant to a sanctioned arena for pew pew that is free from outside influences? you can fit a cloak and face the consequences of that action, it has little meaning to the intention to introduce outside-element free combat. ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.06 02:16:00 - [6] I go sleep for a few hours and this thread gets 3 pages of tripe? Blah blah, carebears are risk averse and think this is a good idea. Get over it, CCP are simply not going to implement this crap. Cry all you like, I stated why on page 1 already. ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.06 10:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Taipion Ok now, does anyone have any REAL argument against Arena or Tournament like fights, simmilar to the alliance tournament, where you can bet on the outcome? There has not been one yet, at least not in this thread. Putting ones head in the sand does not remove the counterpoint. ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.06 10:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Leda Faldoran Each racial capital has a non-instanced arena area. Participants are flagged. CONCORD, or some variation of it, would police the arena area and instapwn any aggresive non-participant. Teams could be made, fanbases would evolve, and good times could be had by all. I think it is a great idea. Your proposal is more or less the same as current game mechanics allow where participants flip cans to have sanctioned fights. This isn't what people are asking for when they want instanced safe locations where the fights can't be interrupted. ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.07 09:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Taipion What all would agree upon is, I assume: - Fights need to be free of interruption from outside - It does not brake the game or any pretty sandbox if 2 x 10 pilots are in such a "protected" fight instead of being docked Again, are there any things, besides wannabetrolls, that would speak against this whole idea? Having the fights be in a protected space is exactly what will 'brake' the sandbox, and is the reason why CCP will not implement instanced space. You can't compare it to being docked since you can't have a fight, run d-scan etc while docked and you don't always have the option to dock depending where you are. It doesn't even compare to cloaking up in a safespot. Suggesting anyone with a different opinion to you is merely trolling is hilariously pompous. ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.07 11:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Taipion You still dont get the basic idea, instance means, no chance to use scan or whatever, as there is NO interaction between the fight-participants and everyone else. Having this in a dedicated system, where all the fighters gather, what advantage could you get even if it would be possible?! Instanced means, no interaction in either direction, so its the same as being docked, just that some of the (up to) 2x10 ships will be lost. I get it perfectly and there should be no instancing for fights in Eve regardless of where this safe environment occurs. It is absolutely nothing like being docked and as the poster 2 up said it destroys PVP. That you can't understand this shows a lack of understanding of what Eve is all about. You are entitled to your opinion that it would be good or fun but to say it is harmless is laughable. Regardless this is something CCP will never implement as thankfully they understand the game better than you do. ~~~

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